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Jul 6th
11:23 pm
Zef Abroad  

people have asked me my feelings on this and why i haven't posted things sooner. idk. it's a bit more complex than this but if i had to sum my feelings up, it is sort of like a repeat of this:

with a little of this thrown in:

i haven't posted mostly cause i've been extremely busy with irl things, like off-the-computer-entirely busy. so... that was one thing. secondly, when it was just the instagram pics it felt a little weird cause generally he's usually really private about trips but obvs this dude is using him to further his brand. and yk, it's a trade off, the guy's generosity for showing his face. nbd. and tbh, the guy actually seems to have kind of a cool life mentality after reading some interviews with him. that said, i don't remember reading anything about him being sober. but the fitness part is great. and i have to say it is kind of nice seeing zac loosen up a little bit about his privacy. he's charming and cool and yet he buttons it up so much to protect himself, i think it is a positive thing that he's relaxing that a bit.

thirdly, i hate drama and really idgaf who he's going out with. but it cannot be avoided so here's the bit about the sober issue and this guy and more importantly mrod. we know zac will not always be around people who are completely alcohol- and/or drug-free. and because the majority of people drink (to focus on the legal activity), his friends and girlfriends will likely drink sometimes around him and that is ok and is just something a sober person has to deal with.

but i do worry about him being with someone who has a history of substance issues and hasn't really dealt with it on their own. and, from everything i know about her and with no disrespect, that is michelle. so this seems like a bad decision. i guess i just hope that she can at least not hinder zac's efforts because we know he has been trying despite what some of the misinformed or hateful gossipers say.

idk, it's just sort of like disappointing because yk on the spectrum of sobriety success, hanging around people with use issues is like minus 20 points but ik it's also really hard to give people up, especially when without them, how alone might you feel? lol i'm veering dangerously close to posting a 28 days gif so i'll wrap this up.

as someone who cares about him, however remotely, it stresses me out when he hangs with these riskier people and i totally get why it stresses everyone else out too. i don't think it is wrong to feel that and further, i reserve my right to call him out for possibly bad decisions. but in the end, zac has to be responsible for his own life and happiness, sobriety included, so it's all on him.

eta p.s. keep comments on an even keel or else, lol

Mood: exanimateexanimate
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The Writers Denmusewriter on July 7th, 2014 04:37 am (UTC)
First, I'm glad he's having fun on vacation...he looks good and happy, which is great to see.

Re: Michelle. I really try not to judge people but, quite frankly, her own issues aside I've always been leery of her because of her association with Mo. He just makes my fangirl skin crawl tbh. I really hope he's reached a point where he can maintain his sobriety around people like her. But, at the end of the day, he and he alone controls that just like you said. I'll always worry about him in the back of my mind but I can't make his decisions for him. It's something I had to make peace with when I first found out about his issues all those years ago...
Miranda gives everyone a chancemirandagirll on July 7th, 2014 04:39 am (UTC)

Edited at 2014-07-07 04:40 am (UTC)
Miranda gives everyone a chancemirandagirll on July 7th, 2014 05:12 am (UTC)

I'm actually not mad. Like when the instagram videos were coming out, I was like these are nice sober activities so I'm fine with that. Even the boat pictures, I'm like those are nice sober activities. He looks happy and heskthy in them so I'm fine with that. I didn't really start being confused until I read the ontd post, huge mistake on my part, about Michelle's background, etc. I'd say her background is worrisome but I don't want to fall into the mentality of "Michelle is some big bad terrible person who's going to corrupt Zac or lead him astray" lol. At least with all the girls he's been with seriously to somewhat seriously, they ain't gonna purposely cause him harm.
annabelle83 on July 7th, 2014 04:57 am (UTC)
I absolutely love MRod as an actress. I was really happy to see Zac hanging out with her back in 2012. But now that we know he's dealing with substance abuse issues, I really hate to see them together. I love them individually, but don't like them together.

I worry about him because I'm not 100% certain if he's really interested in recovery. It's like he's voluntarily surrounding himself with crazy, fun people while distancing himself from nice, boring people. It seems he doesn't want to give up his old life style.

What I like about him and Michelle is that he seems genuinely happy with her. I think his addiction issues got worse mostly because he was so unhappy. If he has to continue to use drugs, he may be safer being around her than being all alone himself.
Aliciapop86 on July 7th, 2014 05:22 am (UTC)
Who wants to be around nice,boring people? You want to be around people who are interesting whether you are in recovery or not. I think Zac made a mistake in isolating himself in the beginning.His approach was too extreme that he made himself miserable. I think he needed to identify his triggers and cut those people and situations from his life.
Aliciapop86 on July 7th, 2014 04:57 am (UTC)
I was so angry at him when I saw the pictures of him and Michelle last week that I unfollowed him on all social media. I was done with him. However, once I calmed down I asked myself why was I angry? For me it was because Zac was not doing what I wanted him to do. I want him to be sober and not hang around people like Ryan Rottman and Michelle Rodriguez. I want him to manage his sobriety like I would if I was in his position instead he was living his base on his needs. I have to accept that Zac and I want him to be sober(I do believe he does want to be clean) but we don't agree on how to achieve it.

BTW: I want Gianluca Vacchi to be my friend so I can spend a week in Sardinia too. He speaks Italian, does yoga and has a pilates reformer and I love his house so I can't hate on him. The tats have to go but as long as he keep his clothes on I can work with him. LOL
countessm3countessm3 on July 11th, 2014 10:29 pm (UTC)
You know, hanging out on a boat off the coast of anywhere seems so boring to me, but raise the sails, head 45 degrees into the wind so that all the weight is on your side of the boat, until it's practically leaning over with water running off the sideboard, and pull the tiller against your stomach until you know that 1 more mm will shift the weight to the opposite side and the hull will come down over your head like the roof of a passenger car flipping over at thirty miles per hour, knowing that rightsizing a 35 footer takes more work than can be done in a day's labor, and you'll see my lips part to display the toothy grin I've been accused of, and you might even hear a laugh.

(This post is dedicated to William Faulkner, who never knew a period or used one.)
cologne50931 on July 7th, 2014 10:00 am (UTC)
Honestly yesterday i was shocked about the kissing posts. But i take a few minutes to look at them and they look cute. Zac seems genuine caring with her. I havent seen this since VH. And he looks healthy too. Maybe he can do something for her! She isn't my first choice but i have to say he looks happy. And i wish he is strong enought to stay away from drugs and other worse things.
laurenlipkinlip on July 7th, 2014 10:05 am (UTC)
im sorry but this whole vacation is a giant red flag, and i i figured somthing was up when he literally followed michelle to italy and thats totally not normal? but does zac honestly think hooking up with michelle is the smartest move ever? does he want to be clean? because michelle isnt the best person to be called being sober at all. so does zac honestly think that michelle isnt gonna pressure him to do drugs or drink at all? this relationship/hooking up/whatever it is just doesnt seem right at all. like in all seriousness where is zac's team,friends,and family? dont they have a say in to think hey is hooking up with someone like michelle a good idea? if zac really want to be clean dont you think he would think about this or does he not care ? sorry if i sound blah and negative but since the first dancing video i thought hmm this vacation is iffy i honestly cant wait till zac films in august at this point. im glad im not the only who has mixed feelings on this whole thing, i dont know if i should be happy that zac is looking happy or worried for him and his health and etc.

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Bee: Zac – 4th July - in front of roadjeezbee on July 7th, 2014 10:59 am (UTC)
Since we've been talking about all of this, you already know that we agree on everything as usual.

If Michelle would be trying to be sober, no problem (she deserves the same chance as he does) but just a brief glance at pics from this year clearly shows she doesn't. I have no idea what their relationship is but I'm afraid that Zac might have to learn by trial and error what he can and can't do to maintain his sobriety (and hope he's smart enough to know that this is what eventually has to trump it all). I just hope he figures it out without too much damage and listens to the experts around him.

Also, a beanie and swimtrunks?
kleth on July 7th, 2014 05:35 pm (UTC)
Don't like the hair.

But I do like the shots where he's pulling his pants off.

Yipes. Note that the "informal" blue footwear is still out and about. Is that what you pack for a European vacation?
countessm3countessm3 on July 8th, 2014 02:38 am (UTC)
He's the biggest p-tease on the planet. He knowingly allows his bathing suit to fall dangerously low in the back, so that we have a half-moon and a wink of crack. Then he purposely does things that emphasize his butt - bend over, lean back, etc. It's cruel and unusual punishment, and I'm willing to pay the guy chartering the boat $20.00 to yank em down and give us a flash.

Oh yeah, I like the hair and I smell the sweet aroma of business behind this "vacation". Everything is too determined. In other words, we never catch Zac with his pants down.

PS: Regarding Picture Number Six, I have one thing to say:


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yoooozacharyefrons on July 7th, 2014 07:58 pm (UTC)
It looked like this happened overnight. We were seeing pictures and videos and nothing looked unusual until this day. I'm hoping it's just an Italy hookup or something they did for the paparazzi because I wouldn't doubt if they've hooked up before. I really want to shake him and tell him to make better choices. For a while, I thought Mo was living in some other world, posting so many #tbt photos of days he was hanging out with Zac to make it look like they're still friends but Italy/Michelle happened and Mo posts a current photo. I'm worried he's slowly undoing all of his hard work.

And I blame Michelle for Zac's hair.

Edited at 2014-07-07 08:00 pm (UTC)
laurenlipkinlip on July 8th, 2014 01:57 am (UTC)
According to enews and whoever there sources are apparently "somthing happend" on there vacation where they been inseparable since, they should have said zacs nd Michelle hook up and things changed not somthing happened,
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kleth on July 8th, 2014 06:28 pm (UTC)
OK, if I had a choice between Zac hiking in Peru with his dad, or this scene, gadding about on private jets, frolicking on luxury yachts, and so forth, I would choose Peru. Zac seems to like both. One unanswered question is, Who invited whom? Are Zac and Michelle independent guests or did they come as a pair?

This event was reported yesterday on both Entertainment Tonight and TMZ. ET focused on the age difference, TMZ on MRod's bisexuality.

My first thought was, "She's too old for him." My second thought was, "You know, and older woman might be very good for Zac." But I'm talking about an older woman who is settled, savvy, and able to help Zac with his own maturation process. I'm not sure Ms. Rodriguez is that kind of older woman.
Aliciapop86 on July 8th, 2014 07:58 pm (UTC)

"I'm not sure Ms. Rodriguez is that kind of older woman."

Michelle vacations in Sardinia and Mediterranean every summer to get away from Hollywood so she invited Zac.

Michelle is 35yr old woman is comfortable with in her own skin. She lives by her own standards even if other don't agree with it. She doesn't hide or spend her time worrying about being photographed. Michelle lives her life in the open. I think Zac needs to learn to more comfortable with his celebrity status and not let get to him. I hope this trip to Sardinia make Zac think about getting a vacation home outside of LA. Zac seems more happy when he is away from LA.
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Beejeezbee on July 8th, 2014 11:29 pm (UTC)
Those latest pics are nice but surely not a surprise to them; someone in that group certainly likes the publicity (wouldn't surprise me if it was Gianluca considering how showy he is on his IG and has been posting those videos and Michelle probably doesn't mind either). Those horse riding pics look like for a vacation catalog. The pics aren't a big deal but I do hope this openness was a vacation thing and Zac is striving for more privacy again as he did in the past as he is now back home.

I don't really care what it is between Zac & Michelle but I do care about his well-being and as it was mentioned before, being involved with Michelle closely who is clearly a non-sober addict (she's even openly holding a drink in some of the pics) is just not a good idea. So I hope this is just a vacation/summer thing and whatever it is, ends soon.

laurenlipkinlip on July 8th, 2014 11:35 pm (UTC)
thats what im confused buy zac has always been so low-key and private and etc, and all of the sudden here is michelle just out in the open with her vap ( better then a cig) and her drink in her hand, reading on her past it seems she doesnt wanna change and i feel like zac at this point doesnt care and wants to do what he wants, im just surprised as is zacs team worried for him because his vacation in italy, a day later its 'confirmed' there relationship and all of the sudden Enews and people magazine have sources and im thinking who is that quick to just give info on how and when zac and michelle met and etc? is zac pr person just giving info out?
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kleth on July 11th, 2014 07:33 pm (UTC)
Life imitates art
Ha! Note the backward dive off the boat, as in Charlie St. Cloud, and the horseback riding, which he learned while shooting The Derby Stallion.
kleth on July 11th, 2014 07:39 pm (UTC)
America's Sweetheart
On the Today Show this morning, the Photo of the Week was shirtless Zac on horseback. Good pick.

He was also referred to as America's Sweetheart*, a new accolade (which he won't retain if he keeps hanging out with Michelle Rodriguez).

* An odd title for a guy, but I can see where they're coming from. This is just more proof of the deep reservoir of good will the mass audience has for Zac Efron (which he won't retain if he keeps hanging out with Michelle Rodriguez).
countessm3countessm3 on July 11th, 2014 10:10 pm (UTC)
Re: America's Sweetheart
You know what Zac needs? "A lady in the streets and a freak in the bed" as Ludacris would say.

1) He needs a former bad girl who knows her way around the boudoir and who is creative enough to endlessly reinvent sex, but who knows - as she steps out that door - how to be behave properly in public and be the kind of individual whose reputation compliments his taste (In other words, people look at her and think he has good taste and must be a fantastic guy to have earned her.)

The woman who most immediately comes to mind is Jacqueline Kennedy, but Princess Diana was also that kind of woman.

2) He needs a woman who knows her own mind and has a good head on her shoulders. Because she cares about him, she won't use or perhaps she used to use and for her own sake does not use anymore. She must be her own person and have her own interests apart from him, though, so that he is continuously interested in her. A woman who organizes her life around him will interest him initially, but in the long run he won't respect her and he'll end up mistreating her and perhaps even blaming himself for it. She must be a constant challenge to him, physically, intellectually and emotionally.

Michelle, I think, is the closest he's come to the type of woman who is "right" for him, but her own issues are his and that's why it's all wrong. That said, it's a sign of maturity to have moved past women he can easily objectify (beta females, strippers, bimbos, Asian women who are taught six women are equal to one man).
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pay no attention to little me.llblckraincloud on July 11th, 2014 09:47 pm (UTC)
See him workin it out on the boat makes me think he needs to try out for American Ninja Warrior. XD That would be awesome.