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Mar 24th
04:16 pm
Zac Efron's Twitter...  
Since people want to vent, I'm making a separate post to keep it centralized. I would also like to state from the start, that as is the norm here, you don't have to agree with someone's comment, you can debate with them even, but you do have to respect them and allow them their opinion.

My position: I am dismayed by how this twitter thing is going. I thought having a professionally run twitter would be preferable to having Zac do it. But at this point, I'd rather have Zac twittering boomshakalaka once a day to this. Though at least now there aren't as many typos? That's something I guess.

Biggest problem: this twitter is utterly and totally tone-deaf to his brand and his fandom.

And that is a social media sin of the highest magnitude.

Their actions seem to reverse his brand and maybe worse undermine career goals by establishing the wrong style of online presence. I've actually seen people say they are unfollowing him. They can't take it seriously. And the person who is running it now (and it definitely isn't Gina for a fact), is not familiar with Zac's fandom and it shows. How do they not know Zefron.com? Kathryn has dealt with fans and all of this craziness for so long, longer than any of us. She knows Zac and Gina. How out of touch is this twitter manager that they didn't think of, or bother researching (aside from searching who on twitter has Zac Efron in their name and a high twitter follower number) to find, the first and most legit source of Zac info. And if they're going to follow anyone, that should be who.

Also it is not reasonable for them to represent this twitter so blatantly as being Zac when it isn't. This is not his thing. And it makes Zac look bad because currently their representation of Zac is banal and self-congratulatory. This style of twittering is bad enough were they to stick to the third person but doing it in first person? It REALLY reflects badly. And worse... it's totally not Zac's persona at all. Obviously going in, knowing it would be a professionally run twitter, it's automatically less Zac's style but this is so far off-base as to be laughable. And if he keeps forgetting this whole experiment and saying that he doesn't have twitter still, it really makes no sense to be writing in first person. We can say all we want that other actors RT fans and suck up, but they really don't. Especially ~srs bsns~ actors that Zac looks up to. Whether it is Joseph Gordon Levitt, whose twitter (though for his company) is very personal and busy, or Leo, whose is more reserved, none of them are like this. Even ones more in Zac's position, like Channing, don't go this overboard (nor does he follow fans) ETA: I lied, I just went through Channing's twitter more and it is as obnoxious. Though he still doesn't follow fans really.

Anyway, I could go on but those are my main problems. And you may disagree with me or you may not understand my concerns. That's okay, but I think it is something that needs correction as soon as possible. It really does make a difference.

Jeezbee's position
I haven't been posting in eternity, or actually ever but today's activity on "Zac Efron's" social platforms, got me going and I had to get it out. Feel free to disagree but this is how I feel.....

It's clear that someone new is running his social platforms now. I can't say I'm thrilled though.

I find what they tweet/retweet pretty embarrassing. That "Do you believe in soulmates? Please retweet this new still..." has the maturity level of a 12-year-old Zanessa fan saying "RT this you believe that Zac & Vanessa belong together and will reunite soon." I get that this is for promo but the way the tweets are done is just so immature. Asking for a RT is bottom-of-the-barrel for Twitter etiquette.

All the self-congratulatory and self-praising retweets (or visible replies) is just embarrassing and shameful to me. And it's so not Zac who has always had a more downplaying/understating approach and not publicly patting his own back.

I also find the concept of following fan accounts not a good idea in general: it puts the "Zac" account voluntarily in the same category as Bieber, "Disney stars" and D-list celebs. Real actors and stars don't follow fans. Why would you want that at Zac's state of his career?

I get that this is for TLO promo but right now, that account is basically pandering to a group of people (the dedicated fans) who have already decided to go to his movie; there is no additional selling beyond some informative posts and a bit encouragement necessary to them. The insane amount of fantwitter and fans who is now begging him for a follow or declaring their undying love 2416874651 times are not new fans (as a side-note: there are a few reliable sites who got followed without asking - I don't mean those); yes it creates some activity and love from existing fans but at which price? Because at the same time, this vapid catering to the t(w)eens is alienating the adults who might be looking at his tweets and think, "idk if I want to follow/be a fan of this teen star." If you want to have more adult fans, the account needs to behave like it and not like its target demo are 12-year-old Bieber fans.

The entire behavior (incl the fan following) is short-sighted imo. Once The Paperboy & the Bahrani movie come around... interested adults might look at his Twitter and not take him serious because it looks like it could be a DCOM star. It surely doesn't look like a grown-up actor you want to and can take seriously, and you can't just change from one day to the next and say I want to be treated like an adult now if you behaved like a twitter-obsessed teenager before.

Interesting tweets/content will get you the sympathy and interest from maybe-fans or not-yet-fans but not spamming peoples timeline with mindless (and content free) chitchat with fans (and they are tweeting way too much for a celeb account right now as well).

And that doesn't even address the fact that I totally expect them to start impersonating Zac (they already have on FB). Which does not only make Zac look like a hypocrite but also does completely go against his long-stated wish that he thinks there should be some mystery, him wanting to keep his privacy and hence not having a Twitter or FB (and he said that only 2 weeks ago again in Italy). Them tweeting in 3rd person is ok, and even if he would stop by on special occasions for a few special tweets (and it's made clear that it is Zac versus his team doing the regular tweeting; like have him sign his own tweets), but once they start impersonating him - the idea of him being not accessible all the time and being a mystery is gone. It doesn't matter if it's not him tweeting - the public perception of him being private is destroyed and can't be undone once it happened.

Plus, the retweeting of all the praise and love as "I" would make him look super-shallow and self-centered. Also, if that person is tweeting in his name... it gives him zero personality (something he's already struggling with recently in interviews if we're being honest) - one more reason for people to hate on him instead of start liking him. He used to have much more charisma and energy in interviews but now he's more and more on autopilot and comes across as having little personality and interest unless he has someone to play off from. And these paint-by-the-number cheerful but bland tweets will not help but hurt imo.

In summary, I think the current tweets and following fans is very short-sighted and panders to his existing fanbase of young girls but sort of prevents gaining new, more grown-up fans. I don't think he should alienate his existing fans but the recent tweets will do exactly that with general people on twitter. I know, I would never follow his account as it's run right now if I wasn't a fan already (and I'm rolling my eyes at least at every other tweet).

His current follower #s are sort of embarrassing already if you compare him with other stars but the current tweet behavior is surely not attracting "normal Twitter users" (non fans) which imo are the ones he needs to increase his count. Most of the fans are already following or would be following anyway once they know about it. So, we're back again at the same thing... wrong approach by pandering to t(w)een fans.

Yes, use the account to promote TLO (that's what it was created for) but do it in a mature and smart way, so it appeals to grown-up people too (who are not fans per sé) and doesn't make him look like a self-centered and desperate teen star with little personality and intelligence.

The problem is that the people running the account represent Zac and right now, they create an image of an annoying and self-centered teenstar but not an actor who wants to grow up and be taken serious.

Since they probably will go forward with this approach, I only have ONE wish. That they will make all future posts/tweet in 3rd person (or neutral but not 1st). It's bad enough when these insipid tweets/FB posts are coming from his people but if it's from "him" it will make me want to quit him.

My response on twitter to ZacEfron_News after JB's post
@ZacEfron_News I can't speak for @jeezbee, but she's out shopping so fwiw, I don't think she is saying you begged his twitter. You didn't. You just had Zac's name in your twitter handle and had a high follower count. But once "he" started this, it just became a torrent of obsequiousness. I do know she would include you in reliable sources as well.

But idt she feels like any of us should be followed (except, imo, Kathryn). I personally, at this point, would rather not be followed because I think it is becoming a joke and meaningless. Being praised by Christian McKay will always be a high point to me because he recognized me for my hard-work and value, not just because he was naming/following fans helter-skelter. Being mentioned or followed by @ZacEfron unfortunately is a pretty hollow gesture.

Like you, I just want to focus on Zac, especially his career. I've never done this to get the most followers or attention from Zac or anything, to a point where I generally leave off his full name on purpose, just so I don't get false interest. I could've done it, but I wanted fans looking for quality and thoroughness not quantity or loudness. And I've felt pride in what I've provided overall and and joy in the people I've met and also that in working for so long to keep a focus on and a discussion going about his projects, somehow we, as a community, helped him. That by providing serious info and research, not just gossip about prurient details of his personal life or just blind fawning over him, that we were steering an online discussion about Zac in a way supportive of a positive, upward, and maturing career-trajectory.

But now I feel like all of that is becoming totally undone with this coarse and poorly-run twitter. TBF, some of his career choices haven't helped either but that's another story. You know how much I opposed a twitter as well, but I certainly thought a managed one would be better. I am dismayed at how wrong I was.

They are utterly and totally tone-deaf to his brand and his fandom.

Her response to me
@ehs_wildcats TY, I couldn't agree more with everything you said. And THIS - "it is becoming a joke and meaningless" - basically sums up exactly how I feel about the whole thing. Zac's twitter could have been useful for promoting his movies, if it was done the correct way. It's a mess and is being so mishandled. But I agree completely with what you said.

Let's hope for changes in the very near future before too much damage is done.

A followup
It baffles me how they have gone about this in such a poor manner, when they have the resources to utilize the social media in a productive way. They should be informing us about his appearances (on television, etc.) and his promotional schedule, instead of us having to search for it and then hoping the information we post is 100% accurate.

I was out last night hosting a party when all of this was going on with the Zac twitter following people and then RTing items, so I was not fully capable of seeing exactly what was happening and the chaos on twitter it was creating. At first I was happy to be acknowledged, being that it is being run by someone on his team. But when I got home and saw the remnants of the hurricane I was disappointed, especially seeing some of the other accounts that were followed. It's like you said - "it's meaningless" at this point. (And not to sound crass, but I don't want to be 'lumped in' with some of those other twitters. I want to be known as a reliable source for information about Zac and not a site that spams the same information over and over and over.)

Being followed by the Zac twitter has brought about attention, which I don't welcome. Some are assuming I can somehow get Zac to see them or pay attention to them and they want me to give them a shoutout or follow them.

His social media as a whole is not being handled well. I think when you discovered the WhoSay and Twitter, etc. we were disappointed about the twitter, but we had hopes that something good would come out of it, but it's been the opposite. However, I never thought that it would be as bad as it is.

One last note: None of this is intended as an attack on Zac. If anything it is in defense of him and his future success. Personally I see the way Zac's twitter is going now is more an attack on Zac than any of this debate.

ETA: I wanted to add two brief points, one from the comments and one I've been thinking about for a couple days.

1) This was in response to ccmskatechick (her comment in italics):

And doing social media in a half assed way is no help to ANYONE. You're better off not being in the space at all.

Exactly. Badly done, it just opens you up to problems and contradictions. I said it privately to someone but it comes down to this, they need the twitter to represent the actor he wants to become. Not the actor he was five years ago. And right now, without deliberation and strategy, they're stuck in the past and broadcasting it globally. That's far worse than just letting his actions, films, and growth speak for themselves.

2) Retwittering fan photos. It's a nice idea and can be okay. But how many times have we heard that Zac's asked people not to post their fanpic online? As a fansite, I do post some. Clearly ones during promo/work are fair game and some during his downtime I make exceptions for. But for a professionally run twitter, especially since it has a much larger audience... you have to be stricter. And I'm not confident that this person, so not acquainted with Zac or our fandom, gets that to Zac there is a difference between a fanpic outside Subway vs. a fanpic at The Today Show.
Mood: tiredtired
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on March 24th, 2012 10:18 pm (UTC)
p.s. i'm unlocking the comments in the macy post so now people can comment there on that video if they like, lol.
butterflybee260butterflybee260 on March 24th, 2012 10:21 pm (UTC)
It's a hot damn mess and I am really speechless at how awful it is. I did not expect that. It needs a turnaround ASAP, either scrap it all, have Zac run it, or get someone who is knowledgeable on how to do this sort of thing successfully because this is a bust.

edit: Before I get the jumped on for saying have Zac himself run it, I mean I would rather have him saying potentially stupid stuff and all that, then some person who obviously doesn't know what they're doing potentially ruin his reputation and misrepresent him.

Edited at 2012-03-24 10:24 pm (UTC)
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on March 24th, 2012 10:30 pm (UTC)
i totally get you. i mean it is one thing to have zac trash his own rep, his life, his problem, etc. but to have someone else do it (and get paid doing it!), no thanks.

i'd rather have this by far at this point:

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Miranda gives everyone a chancemirandagirll on March 24th, 2012 10:40 pm (UTC)
This probably won't make a difference, but I don't mind whoever is running Zac's twitter to follow/RT fans. I mean the person running it clearly doesn't know Zac, at all, so that's why I'm cutting them some slack for following only the fans with Zac in the username, etc. I mean this person is clearly new to twitter and the Zac fandom, so they're not going to know who tweets everything about Zac versus the fans who just tweet about his career related stuff.

The only thing that I don't want is this person acting as if they are Zac when they're not and the RTing of the HSM related tweets.

Besides that, I'm not bothered by whoever runs Zac's twitter except that they need to get to know Zac better and get his input on it even though Zac doesn't want to run it.

Edit: I don't think it's all a mess. Like half the tweets that are TLO/promo related are fine.

Edited at 2012-03-24 10:56 pm (UTC)
kleth on March 25th, 2012 10:10 pm (UTC)
"The only thing that I don't want is this person acting as if they are Zac when they're not"

This is the biggest sin. An official Zac site was supposed to shut down all the posers who were pretending to be him. Ironically, the official site is just another poser.
Efron PortugalEfron Portugal on March 24th, 2012 10:41 pm (UTC)
Zac Efron's Twitter...
I was on my personal account when I saw the #FF to my website twitter and I was like 'aw so nice' then I went to my website account to retweet that and thank them when I saw the follow back. I got crazy when I saw that but 5 min later I realized zefroncom was not followed and for me that's stupid. I felt bad because I only have 3 years of website and it doesn't make sense to me when people follow my account but don't know the other sources that I love and follow.
Now everyone is asking me to mention them to Zac, following us because we are followed by Zac and I just can't deal with it, I didn't made a website to get more followers on twitter or to get mentions.. I support Zac for him and for what he means to me.
I think Zac should do something about this person who's updating his social networks because if it was me I would be pissed.
Well, great post.. I agree with everything.
ZacEfron_newszacefron_news on March 25th, 2012 06:12 am (UTC)
Re: Zac Efron's Twitter...
Being followed by Zac's account really has been more of a nuisance than anything else. Maybe it's rude, but I've been ignoring the tweets from people that want something from me with regard to being followed.
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Skip A beatmileyzanessafan on March 24th, 2012 10:42 pm (UTC)
My timeline is now full of spam towards "him". They should of followed fan twitters that had sites, instead of random fans, or just follow none
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on March 24th, 2012 11:13 pm (UTC)
that's a really good point re: spam that he is retwittering... it forces people who only care about his thoughts/doings to read all this other stuff. i mean it is nice of fans to say to him but i don't really care about that. i just want to hear from him.
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countessm3countessm3 on March 24th, 2012 10:53 pm (UTC)
My head is exploding.
I'm too busy to keep up with Twitter and FB since they're both so boring. I get as much if not more from a fansite, like zefron.com, or this blog. At least zefron.com keeps things interesting and this blog - the fans are great on this blog (and you've a unique way of posting Zac updates.)
As far as I'm concerned, those are other Zac fansites that are yawn....
Nicole Millerkellycefron on March 24th, 2012 11:06 pm (UTC)
I just want to say that this is Twitter we're talking about, i.e the site that kills celebs on a daily and the Trending Topics are basicly ran by fandoms. Now do I like everything they're doing with his Twitter? Absolutely not, I've done better tweets on a drunk night, but I don't think this is something to go overboard on. Basically the real problem is they haven't found a happy medium with his account. Either they don't do enough, or like yesterday they do way to damn much. I think in time they'll find a balance, and honestly the fate of his career doesn't rest in this account working out so can we chill out a bit? I think we can.

Edited at 2012-03-24 11:08 pm (UTC)
butterflybee260butterflybee260 on March 24th, 2012 11:12 pm (UTC)

Social media does really have a huge impact on celebrities' careers. See what happened to Amanda Bynes after she got a twitter? It is a big deal, especially right now when he's at a really transitional point in his career and this could really help determine whether people take him seriously or not.

It is the determining factor of his career? Of course not. But it does matter. Part of what Zac really has going for him is he has a great image, and a good reputation as a nice, likeable human being and to see someone running his twitter in such a sloppy and inane way is really frustrating.
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what in the worldpolly_amore11 on March 24th, 2012 11:11 pm (UTC)
Zac should be PISSED and needs to step up and get someone he trusts..or himself, to be the one to 'market' him..thru his social media!

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abigail80831abigail80831 on March 24th, 2012 11:40 pm (UTC)
OMG I can't get over the fact that his twitter is speaking in first person. And that hard core fans are BELIEVING it. Like WTF? How stupid. It seems they got someone new to run the twitter because from the start is was written in 3rd person and ONLY talked about his projects/when he was going to be on a talk show or something. This is like a full 180 to what it was from the start. Clearly whoever is running it doesn't know anything about Zac/his fanbase/movies.

I mean reading through it it sounded like a 16 year old Bieber fan was writing the tweets.

The #1 thing that gets to me is the fact that they are pretty much leading fans on to believe its him behind those tweets when lets face it, we all know it isn't. THAT is what gets under my skin. That and the fact that fans are stupid enough to believe it but that's another story. I mean, I saw fans fighting about it. One was saying it was him and the other was like "um no its not, its a member of his team." And the fan that believed it was him started getting really mean. JUST SO STUPID.

I hope Gina or someone else from his team keeps and eye on the twitter and maybe looks at it every few days to make sure what they are tweeting is true and not stupid. Maybe someone will see how STUPID it looks and do something about it, like get a different person to run the twitter. Someone who knows more about Zac and who maybe doesn't tweeted like a 16 year old teenager.

I have to wonder if maybe it was handed down to like an intern or something. Someone who doesn't have much experience with it.
Miranda gives everyone a chancemirandagirll on March 24th, 2012 11:46 pm (UTC)
This just crossed my mind, but what if someone hacked Zac's twitter? That's probably not it. But I did notice a difference in how whoever is running his twitter would tweet in third person about promo and stuff to yesterday talking in first person, etc.

I really don't have a problem with it, but since a lot Zac fans seem to then they (we) should probably do something to get a consensus of what out concerns are to Gina and/or Zac and/or whoever runs his twitter.
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butterflybee260butterflybee260 on March 24th, 2012 11:45 pm (UTC)

Where is Audrey? I need to see her reaction gif.
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on March 25th, 2012 12:09 am (UTC)
ik she's been busy at work, though i've seen her briefly a couple places. hopefully she doesn't have some big fancy schmancy thing to do tonight and can spam us with gifs, lol.
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morena mccartneyHowDoUSleep on March 24th, 2012 11:51 pm (UTC)
When I read that Zac got a FB page and Twitter I was happy because I thought it was a good way to promote the upcoming movies. But now I agree so much with you all. It's really stupid to RT every fan. You and others girls are doing a great work to promote Zac and I'm happy to re-tweet your tweets, cuz you dedicate a big time to your page :)
Zac made an interview in Italy telling again he hasn't any page on the net and every "zac" is fake :) but we knew it ;)
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on March 25th, 2012 12:09 am (UTC)
thank you :)
redundancy is not elaborationthelightisdim on March 24th, 2012 11:58 pm (UTC)
I'm so underwhelmed by all of this. LIke, I had to ask everyone who has the login/pw of zacbrasil's twitter to NOT tweet him asking for him to follow because 1) it is cheap & 2) tbh I don't want this kind of attention since what we do isn't exactly legal. Moving on...

I wouldn't care about following fan and giving RT to random people as long as they did a good job promoting but, no, they are even worst at that. Jesus Christ, any teenager know how twitter works better than whoever is running this. Jfc, this is no better than Rottman's 500 RTs and I'll tweet a new video.

I'm not impressed and I'm 100% following it out of loyalty.
butterflybee260butterflybee260 on March 25th, 2012 12:02 am (UTC)

Oh God I had forgotten about the 500 RTs thing. Maybe that's who's running it.

I kid. Kinda.
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annabelle83 on March 25th, 2012 12:13 am (UTC)
People don't think it's really him who's using that twitter, right?

It's run similarly to Tom Cruise's twitter(following random people, retweeting their comments, etc), but everyone knows it's not Tom himself so that's fine.

Anyway, I'd rather they delete that account or let Zac take it over.
Miranda gives everyone a chancemirandagirll on March 25th, 2012 12:18 am (UTC)
"It's run similarly to Tom Cruise's twitter(following random people, retweeting their comments, etc), but everyone knows it's not Tom himself so that's fine"

That's my point I made.

I don't think Zac wants to run his twitter (which I think is obvious), but some input from him would improve it. Just so whoever is running it actually knows Zac.
(no subject) - jeezbee on March 25th, 2012 01:21 am (UTC) (Expand)
Amy BarnesAmy Barnes on March 25th, 2012 12:16 am (UTC)
Personally, I thought his twitter and developing presence on other social networking sites was going to be positive to his career but I don't think at the moment its helping him in anyway - its just winding up his existing fans who aren't tweens anymore - this is hugely reflected in the number of followers he has (more than 1.3 million on Facebook and 125,000 on Twitter... a good reflection on the quality of content being produced because for a celebrity thats kinda embarrassing). The WhoSay managed sources seem to be better with the exclusive pictures from appearances (even if they generally just feature a sign from the show), links to new videos and interviews etc.

The retweets of pointless and annoying posts constantly over the past two days is frustrating and just spamming. If a Zac Efron fansite that I follow was doing that, I would have unfollowed because I don't want to read it. I want to read news and info from sources that are professional, post quality content and are a credit to Zac's fandom - nothing on his twitter seems all that professional, its certainly not quality content and its not a credit/reflection of Zac...

Zac projects a very private persona in interviews and just generally in day-to-day life. He doesn't want to be papped, he doesn't attend events unless he has an interest or something to promote, he doesnt talk about his personal life too extensively. His Twitter should reflect that... we want to read news about upcoming appearances, little tidbits about upcoming promo and the occasional random tweet from Zac (signed by him).

Hopefully a steep learning curve will occur and his team will find a happy medium.
Efron PortugalEfron Portugal on March 25th, 2012 12:23 am (UTC)
(no subject) - abigail80831 on March 25th, 2012 12:38 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - mirandagirll on March 25th, 2012 12:41 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - abigail80831 on March 25th, 2012 12:46 am (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - mirandagirll on March 25th, 2012 12:52 am (UTC) (Expand)
Bee: WORD - Farscape - Rygeljeezbee on March 25th, 2012 12:27 am (UTC)
I just noticed the new tag "skip if you don't like debate" and LOVE it.