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Feb 15th
12:07 pm
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Given that I'm not sure it was a romantic dinner as X17 claims. IDK, lol.


Just imho…

I know people are going to jump all over the 'it's a fake PR' thing or whatever. Personally I don't know what this is. The timing is suspicious obviously. But people have cried PR about many a couple (including Z/V) because of the attention given to them, but that doesn't make the relationships fake. And agents, as some people apparently are claiming is the case here, set people up all the time and it isn't always fake (ie Tea Leoni and David Duchovny, not that that is a paragon of a perfect relationship).

So anyway, I don't know and I don't know if I care that much. Like of course I'd prefer he was in genuine relationship because I think that's probably healthier? But I also recognize relationships are currency in that world and, real or not, stars let them be used for attention when they have something to promote. For Zac who hasn't seemingly wanted to be in a long relationship for about a year, he's kind of stuck.

In a way, real or not, I'm grateful. To keep playing the field while promoting a movie, just feels like a recipe for PR disaster. Personally playing the field isn't my thing BUT I'm not going to judge him for it, he's young, handsome and well-off. His life. That said, I get the sense that TLO's (and even The Lorax's) principal audience, fair or not, would judge and be let down by someone who just wants to play the field right now. They want the schmoopy in-real-life romance.

Overall, real or not, they're playing the game pretty subtle with first avoiding being photographed together, then pretty grainy pics from a distance. As long as they don't get to, say, 10% of the Speidi level of fame-whoring, I'm just gonna chillax by the pool on this.

The one thing that is fascinating to me is that while avoiding the reputation of playing the field, it kind of (re)opens a whole different can of worms, the gay beard thing. This plagued Z/V and obviously they lasted far longer than a Disney bearding contract would've been enforced. Besides we all know it was real. But apparently that's easily forgotten. Let it be said that of all the things I've heard about Zac the past year, however long they've lasted, it's all been girls. Also I always feel badly for the girls who get labeled as beards. Can they ever date a famous person without some suspicion then? Is that fair? Anyway, it's just funny the way people deal with rumors and blinds. People want to be so cynical and smart and yet they really aren't that clever or informed about it at all.

Bottom line: If it is real, great. Not only do they look good together, they can be happy and enjoy themselves. If they're just friends playing the game, fine too… everyone plays the game. Mostly I just don't want them to be miserable being forced to hang out. Well, that and/or Speidi-like photo ops.
 
 
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It's Audrey not Aubreyaudrey_za on February 15th, 2012 07:29 pm (UTC)
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(ILU, though- you know I do!)

Zac owes nothing to the public regarding what happens behind closed doors (whether there's photos or not). Given he's only had one relationship since garnering fame, it was bound to happen that individuals (READ: non and/or ex fans) would salivate over judging and playing the comparison game with whomever his chosen company may be.

People want to be so cynical and smart and yet they really aren't that clever or informed about it at all.

BOOM!

hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on February 15th, 2012 07:46 pm (UTC)
lol i don't want to shade people unnecessarily but the amount of stupid guesses i see on blindgossip or ontd about who is what... it's like DO YOU PEOPLE EVEN CHECK THE BASIC FACTS? i'm not asking them to have inside intel, yk like i sometimes get, lol. just basic facts of if zac (or whomever) was in x place at x time. that and the lack of commonsense.

oh and to say nothing of the blind item sources themselves. i was commiserating with shruti just yesterday about how silly it is that people don't get that most of BG's blinds are written after everyone knows the story. it's easy to write a correct blind item with hindsight. it's also easy to write them so they'd fit like 20 people. idk. it's the new fortune telling.
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Miranda gives everyone a chancemirandagirll on February 15th, 2012 08:01 pm (UTC)
Zac looks good.

& I'm glad he is hanging out with friends other than his "ninja" friends tbqh. Lily is a nice girl, so if Zac wants to be friends with her. So be it. I already knew since his last relationship ended that whoever the next girl he was seen with was gonna be made a HUGE deal for nothing.

Bottom line. If Zac is happy being friends with Lily Collins, then people should really not care. It's not like they're being seen every day.

PEOPLE NEED TO CHILL
lilly4848lilly4848 on February 15th, 2012 08:19 pm (UTC)
I really had not heard of her until the stuff started coming out on the Internet. In the latest People magazine, there is even a little blurb under the "new couple alert" category. I have no problem with Zac playing the field. In fact, I'd expect him to do that until he actually met someone that he wanted to be in a relationship with. I certainly would not want him to be with someone for any reason other than love. As a fan, my only wish is for him to be happy. I do admit that I felt a tad upset to see Vanessa moving on, dating lots of guys (including the PDA), and seeming to be so happy. I felt bad for Zac because in my mind, all I thought was that this must hurt him. But then I realized that he may be fine with the whole thing and that he actually may not want to be in a relationship right now. So, I had to stop second guessing him.

Not sure why playing the field while promoting a movie is a PR disaster, but you know a lot more about it than I do.
Miranda gives everyone a chancemirandagirll on February 15th, 2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
YOU'VE NEVER HEARD OF LILY COLLINS?
SHE WAS IN THE OSCAR AWARD WINNING MOVIE THE BLIND SIDE WITH SANDRA BULLOCK! And Abduction with taylor lautner.

(I apologize if this comes off rude. I don't mean to)

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butterflybee260butterflybee260 on February 15th, 2012 08:43 pm (UTC)

You know, I have been wondering if he's getting to that stage where he's ready to date again, simply because of the fact we've been hearing pretty much nothing about his fun times. I've always wondered how he'd handle his next relationship, and I guess we'll see. I'm not at all convinced that OMG THEY MUST BE DATING!!!!!! but if they are, cool, good for him. If it is more of a, friends with some set up so they both get mutual good publicity, I don't mind. He's been in this business a long time, he knows how to play the game, and as long as he's not compromising his happiness, I'm fine with that. tldr; I don't care really lol.

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countessm3countessm3 on February 15th, 2012 11:43 pm (UTC)
My intuition tells me that the association is arranged - that she's a nice, sweet girl and is good for Zac's reputation. I don't get the impression he's emotionally interested. It's more a necessary thing.


But when I look at Zac, my heart breaks. Everything about him screams depression - the look, the postures, the crawling inside oneself to avoid being the center of attention, of catching someone's gaze. I hope if he's hurting or sad, he gets help. There's no shame in seeking assistance; the shame is being too proud to do it. We're human beings, not gods...
butterflybee260butterflybee260 on February 16th, 2012 01:01 am (UTC)

Honestly, and I've been following Zef for nearly...God, 4 years. That's frightening. Anyways, he looks like that whenever he's papped. It's just how it is. He's made quite the effort to avoid being papped and has gotten very good at it, he's papped SO MUCH less than he was, and I think that is his lifestyle choice. Some people don't seem to mind it too much, but its always been clear that the paps really bother Zac. I hate to see him have to duck down and hide in the car like that, it is heart breaking, but it's much better now than it has been in the past.
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Miranda gives everyone a chancemirandagirll on February 16th, 2012 12:11 am (UTC)
I don't understand how Zac can't have friends without people thinking they're dating. I don't understand how Zac can't have a relationship without people thinking it's PR or whatever. (I'm not implying they're dating) But for all anyone knows Zac could end up marrying Lily in a year or two, just saying.

Just felt I needed to add that because "seems like there's always someone who disapproves, they'll judge it like they know about me and you" -Ours by Taylor Swift. Yes, its taylor swift but it applies.
countessm3countessm3 on February 16th, 2012 12:59 am (UTC)
A rudimentary and gross oversimplification of Nietzschean thought and Kantian philosophy on perception starts with the space/time continuum as an apriori synthetic (the only one) that is the necessary condition for the possibility of experience. While avoiding the politics of the transcendental subject, an image - in this case, an image of an image - enters the field of vision. The eye (I'll skip this painful section) translates it into the brain, which - if you're a post-modern thinker - creates another image in the mind's eye. Thus, the image in the mind's eye often does not correspond to the actual image, as the mind's eye cannot reproduce the detail.

The image is a Kantian intuition. The brain breaks it down into categories, classifies it. Relates it to empirical evidence already verified (ie experience) then draws an a posterior synthetic, a thought that is the result of analysis.

This thought is thought of as words, which are Nietzsche's metaphors or Saussure's signifiers. Either way, the metaphors / signifiers are representations of the actual thing, which as we can see, we cannot "get" to in this paradigm.

Thankfully, Kant found a way around it, but I'll spare you.

So, what we have is an image (picture) of an image (in time), a representational image in the brain, association and affiliation with similiar and different images, categorization and translation into words, which are metaphors or representations for the actual object.

For all of this doubt upon our grasp of the "truth" of our environment, we cannot but help go through this process over and over again. We cannot help but - think. We hope that we are right, and sometimes the intuition that Kant scorned, womanly intuition, which seems to bypass all this hard thinking and come like an epiphany upon us, is actually right.

In short, we can choose what we think but we cannot choose not to think, for even our choice to not think is in itself a thought.
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powertoefronpowertoefron on February 16th, 2012 01:05 am (UTC)
So I understand the importance of press and what not but I find that makes way more sense in a circumstance where the two people are in the same movie. In my experience I've seen girls dont LIKE when guy celebrities have girlfriends. I'm not sure why that would be a proper PR move when a big romance movie is coming out (that wants to lure girls). But what do I know? It could be PR, it could not. I just don't think Zac would be trying so hard to stay under radar about it if it was infact a PR move. Like DARTING out of a restaraunt to not be pictured together? This is how he handles his personal life - not his work life. That's my personal opinion though. Also I don't think a guy who's had relationships with countless girls his whole life, a previous 6 year relationship with a girl he was clearly head over heels for, and who is seen by randoms hitting on girls on a weekly basis is by any means gay. So the beard rumor is fine for anyone that doesn't know anything about zacs personal life but for us hardcore fans it just doesn't add up any way at all.

Moving on, I like lily from what I've seen/heard so I hope if they are infact an item that she makes him happy because it's no secret that he's been more down that he used to be.
kleth on February 16th, 2012 07:06 am (UTC)
"It could be PR, it could not."

I've worked in PR and I'd say not. The photo ops have been too uncertain, too subtle. There was a good chance they wouldn't have been photographed at all, and the actual photos are poor. Sure, that could be part of the plan, to lend credibility; but PR plans are designed for impact, for a measurable result. Do you want to report to your boss that you tried, but the paps missed it? A good PR set-up would put them on a red carpet together, or at least out and about, in plain sight, without a cluster of friends to confuse the issue.
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annabelle83 on February 16th, 2012 02:02 am (UTC)
I think The Lorax and The Lucky One will do good at the box office whether he's dating her or not. He doesn't need this kind of PR since I'm pretty sure he'd rather be known for his work than his relationship. This is the most exciting year for him careerwise, and I don't want his career to be overshadowed by silly gossips.

Isn't the purpose of PR relationship getting publicity as much as possible? Zac and Lily haven't done anything interesting yet, so I think people should reserve judgement until they start doing crazy things to get headlines.

By the way, if I were his publicist, I'd rather hook him up with a swinsuit model or a critically acclaimed actress so that he can get attention from male audiences or serious moviegoers.
kleth on February 16th, 2012 07:14 am (UTC)
"He doesn't need this kind of PR"

Another good point. Zac can get oodles of paparazzi publicity just by stepping out on the sidewalk. The Lorax doesn't require this kind of trivial PR, it's being marketed to infinity and beyond; I've seen Lorax commercials on prime-time network TV every night this week. TLO just needs lots of Zac exposure, he's the draw, no girlfriend required. A heartthrob needs to exude an air of availability, so every female fan can imagine that she can become his girlfriend.
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abigail80831abigail80831 on February 16th, 2012 02:13 am (UTC)
I'll NEVER understand why people think everything is done for PR. Had this been done for PR I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have been trying to not be picture together. Also, TLO is a movie who's fanbase is largely going to be girls/woman therefore wouldn't they like to know Zac is a single guy and NOT in a relationship? That's something I've noticed with a lot of girls. They like to think they have a change with a star (even through 99.99% of them will never even meet the guy but whatever) therefore being seen as "single" would benefit him. THATS what makes me think this isn't a PR set up. I also don't understand why some fans are upset about it (i.e people on JJ/JJJ). Its been over a YEAR since he's been spotted with a girl. His ex moved on and now he's finally moving on.

JUST MY option but I feel like Zac took the breakup maybe a little harder then Vanessa (that or she just covered it up better then him). So tbh, I'm happy he might finally be moving on and dating again. She seems like a sweet girl who stays out of trouble and in fact, is one of the few girls in young Hollywood who I'm ok with Zac dating haha. He had to move on at some point and if they are dating I'm happy for him. He deserves to be happy and maybe she's doing that for him.

The Writers Denmusewriter on February 16th, 2012 05:00 am (UTC)
You know what, if they are dating or not, good for them. I don't know why people are so up in arms about him moving on tbh. He's young, he's hot, and he's rich. If he wanted to "play the field" for awhile it's not a crime. People on gossip sites like JJ and JJJ are hellbent on making him out to be a womanizing douchebag (among other things) and it just boggles my mind.

Let the man be.
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Bee: Zac - GQ - Balancing on Car 1jeezbee on February 16th, 2012 04:33 am (UTC)
I just hope whatever it is, for his sake he's not getting blue balls.

Fake or real I wish it would be less predictable though.

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It's Audrey not Aubreyaudrey_za on February 16th, 2012 06:05 am (UTC)
I just hope whatever it is, for his sake he's not getting blue balls.

What?!?! LOL!
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powertoefronpowertoefron on February 16th, 2012 05:32 am (UTC)
It's interesting to recognize the people that continuously suspect the worst from him. Js.

Anyways the only thing that makes me sceptical of PR is the fact they have the same agent. Then again that could also be the most explainable thing about this. Their agent could have hooked them up for personal reasons. Idk but if this is how you attempt to stir PR then I'm not sure I get it? Why hide so much if the only reason you're with the person is for the press of being seen with them.

I'll never understand. But life is well, life. People meet and hit it off despite numerous situations. I don't get why it's so hard to believe they're actually hanging out. If they wanted the kind of PR they're getting (grainy far away photos aside) they could have just planted a story and never go out together at all.

I guess time will tell. But I don't understand what's so wrong about PR stunts anyway. Zac knows where he stands in the business and he knows he's not where he was 5 years ago. He knows he may have to force himself in the light sometimes to remind people he's here and he's got work coming out, etc. it's how the business works and it happens all the time. There's far worse things in life than faking a relationship.

That doesn't mean I think it's fake though. Nothing that says its fake lines up to me. If zac was aiming at a public relationship he would not be acting the exact opposite. It just doesn't make sense.
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on February 16th, 2012 08:04 pm (UTC)
i do think some of it is people expecting the worst as there is a lot of misplaced cynicism in this world. some of it is just people trying to understand.

personally i think that even if it is a pr thing doesn't mean it can't be a real relationship. and that part of it i just can't assess yet with so little info. and unless he totally refuses to address his personal life at all, ever... and never is photographed with a gf, it will always be used to an extent. so real or not just doesn't seem to matter much. from an outside view anyway. i hope he's happy though. and i hope they keep it subtle, real or not.
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It's Audrey not Aubreyaudrey_za on February 16th, 2012 06:22 am (UTC)
This post is a mess. I love it. :')
butterflybee260butterflybee260 on February 16th, 2012 09:32 am (UTC)

We haven't had something to get worked up over in a while :P
The Writers Denmusewriter on February 16th, 2012 07:00 am (UTC)
Totally didn't realize Lily was in The Blind Side until I read this post. Love that movie.
amy_kmh on February 16th, 2012 05:31 pm (UTC)
:O How has he been playing the field?
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on February 16th, 2012 07:56 pm (UTC)
i won't share specific stories but he has been enjoying the single life. nbd, no judgment.
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