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Jul 3rd
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Essay in two parts

A) I'm not really understanding this argument about how Zac is ~suddenly~ a fame-whore.

To start, imo Zac and Ashley would've probably been pretty hammy without the paparazzi anyway. They are cheeseballs, probably even more so after a pitcher of sangria, some Dos Equis and a sugar-filled cupcake cake. And I can only imagine how Kenny and their pals loling at them just added fuel to the fire, so to speak.

Was it over-the-top? Yeah just little bit. Less can really be more and it might bite them in the ass. Whether they knew the papz were going to be there or they just saw the cameras once they were having fun... they went with it, they had a good time. Side note: ftr, at least some pics came from a photog that was there legit-like apparently.

And you know what, I'm really really happy to see Zac being happy and being a cheeseball. The longer he's been at this, the more reserved he's become in some ways. It's understandable of course, but it makes the time when he's flying his goofball flag more exciting.

It is important to keep in perspective also that most people don't see all almost 200 of these pictures. They'll probably see the one (or if he's lucky two) in People Magazine and call it good. So to them it's just like oh hey Zac Efron's abs, haven't seen you in a while, can I plz touch u? No? :'( Not like OMG FAME WHORE.

Truth be told, that's the same thing with the skateboarding pics, most people see one. But my problems with those were only half the same as these. They were just aggravated massively by the company and the kind of wackness of their set up and overly-obvious execution.

Also these have come after a massive dry spell whereas those were after days and days of shots from airports and NYE filming. Multiple blogs in fact have called him out for being MIA cause he went for two months without paparazzi shots. This is a good (but slightly shameless) way to remind people he's not been abducted and he still has a killer body. This is probably a good opportunity to remind people too considering he's shortly leaving for another few months to film and will be MIA again. If The Lucky One was any indication, there's a good chance we won't get a lot of paparazzi pics for The Paperboy, unless they find the combo of Matt, Zac and possibly Nicole more worthwhile.

Anyway, idk how people can argue he's changing into some sort of fame whore. He's about as much of a famewhore as he always has been, maybe he's just not so savvy about it recently. He's always played that game, everyone does - Ashley, Vanessa, even huge stars like Leo. Admittedly usually he has something to promote, be it HSM3 or Charlie St. Cloud. But until I see him heading out every day to the park to sit and read some Kurt Vonnegut, I'm gonna hold off on foisting that mantle on him.

B) I'm not sure why people are judging either of them re: their interaction.

They've always been good friends, they've always been touchy feely... why is that going to change?

One thing that confuses (or maybe just annoys) me is that Vanessa and Ashley have always been touchy feely also and nobody bats an eye. Let's get real, when Van and Ash would be or are all over each other it's often treated as a cute joke. For example, during HSM, it was lol Zac could be their beard. Nobody took it (or any of their recent hanging out) as some insult or nasty thing being done to Zac.

So why is it different in this case? Just cause Zac and Ashley are boy and girl? Yeah, yeah I get it... girl code. But that's kind of bullshit. Sorry to say. There is common decency that all people should act on, but where have they violated that. They're having a good time, just as Vanessa and Ashley have.

It's not fair to force any of our concepts of friendship (which in any circumstance is a varied concept even within one's own multitude of relationships) on them, especially given we are really rather uninformed. If Scott or her mom or her sister or their friends or even Vanessa, want to call bullshit on them fine. But with what I know of them and with my not being there at the party, I'm not comfortable with judging them that way or with a lot of the judgments I've seen today.

Anyway, feel free to burn me in effigy for having ideas if you want, just keep the comments nice. I'm out to Best Buy and Qdoba but I'll shut comments off if it is getting nasty. Please just revel in his obvious happiness.

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redundancy is not elaboration: (ac) zac | he's prettier than youthelightisdim on July 4th, 2011 12:16 am (UTC)
I think most things I had to say about this I told you on that AD post.

I don't think he is turning into a fame whore but I'm not thrilled that he seems to be enjoying this a little too much. I might be wrong and he might hate this but w/e, I don't judge him for doing this, I just wish he would do it on a less obvious way.

Also: Ashley and Zac are adorable and I remember pics of Ashley sitting on Zac's lap when they were promoting HSM in London and I think he was already with Vanessa there so it seems to me that they always had a very close friendship and aren't afraid to touch each other. And maybe it is because I live in Brazil and here we are way more touchy-feely than in America but I act like this with my friends very often so I believe 100% that a boy and a girl who are only friends can behave like this.

And I wish Zashley/Zanessa fans would get over the fact that the former are just friends and that the former broke up.
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on July 4th, 2011 04:19 am (UTC)
Yeah I hope this answered some of what you said there too, lol. I could only do one before I left.

This might come off as rambling but hopefully this can explain my pov about the thing about him enjoying it or not. On the whole, no he dislikes the paparazzi, especially in some situations. He clearly goes to some lengths to avoid them.

But he knows it is a game and he has to play it. I don't think he gets joy out of that per se. Some days probably suck but I'm sure some days he's like whatevs and just has fun. In some ways, the mildly staged opportunities may be easier. He's more in control and it is more like a performance then. Take some pics and then you leave me alone. Though I have to be honest, any time he's been in the more staged photos, I don't think he necessarily has had to fake anything. Whether it was with Vanessa on a beach in Hawaii or these or skateboarding.
Shruticalcified on July 4th, 2011 12:23 am (UTC)
Um I'd rather him read Vonnegut in the park, what are your choices.
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butterflybee260: Danybutterflybee260 on July 4th, 2011 12:29 am (UTC)

lol he has such a fuzzy tummy. And I spy some cheekage!

idk I don't have a problem with any of it really. Yes it's hammy and silly but I MUCH prefer this type of Zac to the miserable looking Zac who always has to cover his face.

Also I'm guessing they were both rather buzzed and I'd bet a lot that Zef's a touchy drunk.

Re: V/Ash/Z thing, it was obviously Zef's week for visitation rights. People need to trust that they're all good friends and respect each other.
livingwell100livingwell100 on July 4th, 2011 12:30 am (UTC)
just me maybe
I'm not going to say I like these pictures cause I actually don't - I don't judge them I just don't feel comfortable with them with her boyfriend there. There is a "questionable taste" factor to them that just bothers me.

And it may only be me. I don't see these enhancing either of their reputations or careers going forward from the comments I am seeing. jmo
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on July 4th, 2011 05:20 am (UTC)
Re: just me maybe
idk that it was ever about enhancing their reputations or careers.

the taste question is one for the ages, so kant go there at this time of night.
oh my god; that crazy bitch.metrocard on July 4th, 2011 01:08 am (UTC)
I don't want to step on any toes, so I feel very timid posting this haha. I think at the end of the day all I have a real problem with is that I don't understand why they would want to perpetuate the kind of attention they have been receiving. As fans and followers of them and their castmates, we know that it is platonic and they are handsy etc, and it's all fine and dandy. But to the public, despite the truth behind it, it seems unfortunately questionable. It's one thing to behave in a certain way unintentionally and have it warrant negative attention, but to me it's another to do it knowingly. I have a hard time fathoming why they are blatantly being over the top when they know that people will be negative? I mean, yeah, fuck the man who cares and all of that, but since we can all agree that some of this seems put on...it's just confusing to me, to be honest.

I am 100% all for Zac's happiness cause I can't pretend that I don't worry about him (especially over the last couple of months), but I guess I kind of wish it didn't have to be rained on by assholes at E! Online in the end.
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on July 4th, 2011 04:41 am (UTC)
it is a bit confusing in that way, and i kind of struggle with it too. that's where i'm not sure if he's as savvy as he was? or what?

or maybe it's too much energy to worry about what people think when it all just washes out in the end. i mean how many girls has the press attached him too and how many stories last? zero.

i do think ashley is a lot different than say rumer willis because of his long-standing friendship, etc. so i'm surprised they didn't take a bit more care? but they are such hams and probably buzzed so w/e... lol. weirder shit has happened.

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It's Audrey not Aubrey: All Smilesaudrey_za on July 4th, 2011 01:09 am (UTC)
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Imma need a second to condense my thoughts into not too a TL;DR of an essay. BRB
It's Audrey not Aubreyaudrey_za on July 4th, 2011 01:29 am (UTC)
*not too long a
annabelle83 on July 4th, 2011 01:21 am (UTC)
I'm glad you're being nicer to Zac this time. :) Totally agree with what you're saying.

Honestly, I have to roll my eyes whenever I see someone complain about "publicity stunt" or "famewhoring". Seriously, who doesn't play this game in Hollywood? Even the least likely ones like Penelope Cruz/Javier Bardem stage pictures. And I don't think Zac has been less savvy about it recently. His vacation pictures in 2008 are the most blatant PR stunt from him. Like paps would accidently spot him and Vanessa on a random island and follow them for days. People are seeing things only now because they're determined to look for evidences that he has changed.

I still think his skateboarding pics were to put out The Lucky One in the press(they probably needed to do it before Zac's new buff body goes back to normal). I'm confused about purpose of these new pics with Ashley. He was decidedly avoiding press these days - snubbing MTV movie awards, skipping red carpet at LA Film Festival etc. - So I don't think he was trying to get press this time, especailly when he has nothing to promote. He seems genuinely happy in the pictures and looks more like he's having fun DESPITE cameras rather than posing FOR cameras.
oh my god; that crazy bitch.metrocard on July 4th, 2011 01:29 am (UTC)
As a disclaimer, I am not attacking you, I just wanna clear up some things! :) While I totally understand the need for PR stunts (I work in and study PR, though I am a young and no where near an expert), I do find it grating. I also think it's unfair to say that he and V's T&C pictures are the ultimate PR stunt as there are some that were a lot more staged? The Hawaii ones right before HSM? Yeah, that was very questionable and probably set up. But I think it's genuinely unfair to suggest that they'd use their private vacation time (when they got so little) as the be all and end all of ultimate PR stunts. Do you get where I am coming from?

And I don't say this as some whack pressed delusional stan! Just as someone who disagrees!
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It's Audrey not Aubrey: All Smilesaudrey_za on July 4th, 2011 01:43 am (UTC)
Ashley thinks the world of both Zac and Vanessa and has all but (loudly) sung both their praise for years.

It's the outside assumptions, escalated drama, moral crackdowns and 'Well if I were...' (you aren't, so...) self-insertion adding to the overall hype.

Nothing the three have said about the other in any public forum confirms the scrutinized attacks. Without being these people (or in their trusted inner circles) it's presumptuous at best to convict foul play or ulterior motives when the actions speak firm volumes- which is that to date, Ashley is someone Zac and Vanessa choose to be friendly with.

Bottom line? If there were problems, the continued visitation outside event circumstances and overall vouching would cease and communication would be severed.

Are Zac and Ashley aware of the cameras? We have eyes- they are looking at the lens in some shots. Does that "prove" set-ups or (paid) arrangements of any kind went down (outside the house photographer commissioned for interior and atmospheric shots)? That's not bts info we're privy to.

Frankly, he's been piggyback carrying her ass through the years, lol.

livingwell100livingwell100 on July 4th, 2011 02:08 am (UTC)
I understand your point Audrey but none of these new pics with neck snuggling etc look even remotely like the ones you have posted and the last one has some more pronounced counterparts.

And if there has been or will be any change in the dynamic of Ashley, Zac and Vanessa we will know that going forward. No matter what the trios past history today is another day in a year that has seen some interesting changes.

In essence nothing is known on any point of view or interpretation of these pics and only the future not the past will prove one valid.
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*¤*Peryne*¤*peryne_gl on July 4th, 2011 03:16 am (UTC)
"Please just revel in his obvious happiness." A-fucking-men! :)

On that note, please don't mind me & continue your debate ;)
The Writers Denmusewriter on July 4th, 2011 03:17 am (UTC)
Cady, I agree with almost everything you said. I'm getting really tired of the famewhore argument, tbqh. Feel free to burn me at the stake for what I'm about to say but part of me thinks that it comes from the fact that he's not choosing to sit at home and wallow in his post break-up pain. Let's be real here, up until a few weeks ago he hadn't been papped in well over a month...doesn't sound like a famewhore to me. He's certainly done some things and hung out with some people that make me shake my head but the whole "he's changing" argument gets old really fast. When the pics with Ashley first surfaced last night my first thought was "he looks happy...I like that." As more came up and I realized it was most likely staged I rolled my eyes a bit but then realized it really wasn't much different in that department than some of the other times he'd been on the beach before. I do wonder whether they knew beforehand about the paps but really, what were they supposed to do? Hide and stop enjoying themselves once they saw the cameras? Some of it is over the top, I won't deny that, but the amount of hatred I'm seeing for Zac and Ashley and the moral judgement as a result is just insane. I HATE the 'what a traitor, isn't she supposed to hate Zac' mentality that people have taken on because they feel Ashley should take sides. It's ludicrous and like Audrey said the amount of escalated drama that people try to create because they think they know what goes on in their personal lives based on pictures or 'inside sources' is absolutely nuts I have a hard time believing at all that Ash would do anything that would make Scott uncomfortable and I'm sure Zac respects him as well. They're two friends goofing off and having fun...and quite frankly it's nice to see the smiles on their faces.
It's Audrey not Aubrey: Let's Don't Be Sillyaudrey_za on July 4th, 2011 03:53 am (UTC)
I'm sorry, but REALLY?
NO ONE has mentioned DAT ASS? Really? No one? For shame, y'all! FOR. SHAME.

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Please get your priorities together, k thanx. ;)

butterflybee260: tyrionbutterflybee260 on July 4th, 2011 04:01 am (UTC)
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lol I've perved over it on twitter, so juicy!
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A Sea of Dust and Starsfun_demented on July 4th, 2011 06:39 am (UTC)
I love these pics. And it never occurred to me that they weren't genuinely having fun. I love to him smiling and having good friends around him. Also, he's got a job and part of it is being seen. He's even admitted in interviews that he has to use that sometimes, it's part of being professional, finding that balance. He has other people he supports, including and especially people who work for him. He is not a fame whore.
A Sea of Dust and Starsfun_demented on July 4th, 2011 06:42 am (UTC)
P.S. he keeps getting better looking!!!! Also, so does Ash. So pretty she is!
DMZE_FAN on July 4th, 2011 10:00 am (UTC)
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haha, I find this all a little bit funny.
I think if you look at it simply:
Zac & Ashley go way back - (even pre-HSM: on Zac and Cody)
its Ashley's B'day, and once again it involves beach apparel. so there's going to be a bit of skin :P
How on earth is this a publicity stunt? this happens all the time for actors and famous people when they are doing normal stuff! Fame-whore is completely out of line, your just jealous otherwise.
Zac is pretty reasonable with 'media stunts' and self promotion... its really not that bad...

However, its cool that there friends. I just wonder how much respect Zac showed Ashleys boyfriend if he was there and what not... cos in all honesty a bloke should respects a girls man and calibrate his interactions with her in light of who she has her hart with... and what kind of role her boyfriend actually has in her life...

Anyway, as you say its important to keep in mind that we weren't there; aren't privy to the real situation or part of their mob...

I like how you guys care for his personal happiness - this post/article is a testament to that

Lindsie Lewinskylindsiie on July 4th, 2011 04:15 pm (UTC)
I don't usually post here but I have this journal bookmarked and I come here all the time for zac news, and I do appreciate the work that's put into making the updates as fast as possible!

One thing I don't understand though is why everyone is getting mad at zac? I mean, sure, these pics look pretty staged but they're in hollywood. No offense to any Ashley fans, but she's somewhat the less successful (movie-wise) of the HSM trifecta (BBV, Zac and Atis) and yet she gets papped all the time... I wouldn't be surprised if she actually called the paps herself. They're both clearly playing it up for the camera's and Zac might just be joining in on her game? The price in these pics probably went way up with a -shirtless- Zac there and I don't see any problem in playing the game every once in a while (which he has in the past with Van)!

these pictures are cute! staged, but cute!
It's Audrey not Aubrey: All Smilesaudrey_za on July 4th, 2011 04:52 pm (UTC)
My only notation I'd add to Ashley's frequent and rather steady stream of paparazzi pictures the last 2-3 years is that the images mainly (not always, but usually) stem from "staple" public sort of places that the addresses are well-known and accessible (ie Coffee Bean, various shops in/around LA, hair salon, the gym and airports). That's not to say sometimes she's spotted outside those venues (where more informed knowledge of her whereabouts would be necessary), but for the most part her candids come from the same routine places over and again.

I'd be contradicting a lot of what I've said in this post if I didn't treat talk of arrangements with photographers as a possibility, even for Ashley. Fair enough.

No offense to any Ashley fans, but she's somewhat the less successful (movie-wise) of the HSM trifecta

No offense taken as she's only been in one feature film, in a supporting cast capacity, post HSM3. Not sure how her post-franchise box office draw can truly be determined with just a sole theatrical project, as she's mainly concentrated her efforts to television (or music).
candieflossx on July 4th, 2011 04:59 pm (UTC)
I, on the other hand, find these photos hilarious! They are not dating, they are friends having fun. I have a large group of friends and we have fun like that aswell. Give poor Zac a break, we have not had proper photos of him for months! xxx