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Jul 1st
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Words are fun! Linklater talks Zac and the indie biz  
From Blackbook Magazine:

You just finished shooting Me and Orson Welles with Zac Efron and Claire Danes. How was that experience?
Beautiful. It's coming out this fall. I couldn't be more happy with it. And Zac is fantastic. He worked really hard. I know it's always boring when people say how great everyone is they work with, but Zac's the real deal and he's going to have a really long career, because he's meant to be here.

So he's not just a song and dance man?
He's too talented, he's too much a natural. I've never met anyone less conflicted about performing. He's just born to do what he's doing. And he's really smart, and he works hard. He has a good family. I'd say his foundation is such that he's not going to be a fuck up and sabotage himself.

What kind of person flames out?
Usually people who do that are the ones who feel like they haven't worked hard and really have had it hoisted on them. They're picked out of a line, suddenly you're in the public eye, and think maybe you don't deserve it or something.

Was there any mobbing on set, because Robert Pattinson is getting it like crazy in New York right now.
Yeah, Zac attracts that same mob, but he handles it pretty well. How can you take it seriously? The age range of that mob is pretty young. It just shows you there's not a lot going on in the physical world for a lot of people. People like showing up and being excited about something. It's kind of fun to hear that squeal of young girls, I never really heard it before in person. When they encounter Zac Efron, it's just a pitch range that I haven't heard in my lifetime.

Also he talks about how bad off the industry is, which is definitely a huge part of the reason Me and Orson Welles is struggling with distribution. That part is under the cut.

Part 1:

I just found out about this script that finished called That's What I'm Talking About. It just got put on the shelf?
Yeah, it's definitely on hold. It's pretty heartbreaking, but the industry is really bad off right now. Everybody I know, it's like you think you have it bad, and then you hear their sob story. So I was like, gosh a low budget college comedy that's kind of a follow-up to ...

Dazed and Confused?
You know, it just doesn't make any sense. The industry is so shitty, it's just beyond all comprehension. I had it financed, I was just in search of a distributor. It shows how much the industry has evaporated.

Are you hopeful that it's going to get made eventually?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it will at some time, it's hard to say when. It's kind of like, when will the economy recover? Someday. It could be ten years, it could be 18 months. It's a guessing game. It's just a weird time. It's one of those times that I think I pay for my outsider status, not really having that many friends inside the industry. When things tighten up, I fall off the list pretty quickly.

eta, Part 2:

Do you feel that Fast Food Nation didn’t get as much attention as it deserved, considering it was based on a bestseller, it had a star-studded cast, and premiered at Cannes?
Well, I’m not sure about that word “deserve.” I don’t know what’s deserved or not in this world. But the fact is, the distributor that distributed it pretty much made sure that all that stuff never happened. So when it starts there, there’s pretty much nothing you can do.

Why do you think that is and how does that make you feel?
It’s the trickle-down effect in the industry right now. The bar is so high even in the indie world. It used to be an indie film that grossed $3 million would be a huge hit. Now they won’t even touch it if they don’t think it can gross potentially $50 to 60 million.

When a movie like Juno or Slumdog Millionaire makes a lot of money, people say it’s great for the industry because its letting more of these films smaller films get made, but it sounds like it’s actually the opposite.
It’s actually bad for the industry, because at the end of the day, they’ll spend so much on getting a film like Juno or Little Miss Sunshine to make all this money, that they’ll spend $40 million, just like a studio film. And then the bar gets raised to an astronomical level. What’s lacking is a bunch of new distributors who are ok with—to use the baseball analogy—a bunch of singles and doubles, rather than the proverbial $80 million home run. Fuck, I don’t know what I’m saying, whatever. I would be happy to have one of those indie successes, but Fast Food Nation was not going to be one of them. It was not the feel-good movie that people were looking for.
Mood: sleepysleepy
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bettybaby63bettybaby63 on July 1st, 2009 02:00 pm (UTC)
love it!!!!!! love everything he says about zac!!!!!!!

but i want an official release date for M&OW........

zaccy23zaccy23 on July 1st, 2009 02:02 pm (UTC)
Dude this is too funny!! I was on a massive Me and Orson Welles hunt last night so to wake up to this is--just what I needed. I love what Rick had to say. God I hope he means it's coming out here too and not just the UK:/
germangirl89germangirl89 on July 1st, 2009 02:13 pm (UTC)
Love the pic...

and yeah I made my comment in the other post
Anna: oc | heart on a stringmodernthirst on July 1st, 2009 03:16 pm (UTC)
I've never met anyone less conflicted about performing and It just shows you there's not a lot going on in the physical world for a lot of people = statements that in general I am extremely interested in and will be thinking about for like the next 10 minutes.
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on July 1st, 2009 03:31 pm (UTC)
yes those struck me too. the first one especially considering the strong narrative pull the 'tortured artist' has in historical canon.
It's Audrey not Aubreyaudrey_za on July 1st, 2009 03:45 pm (UTC)
Zac's the real deal and he's going to have a really long career, because he's meant to be here.

He's too talented, he's too much a natural. I've never met anyone less conflicted about performing.

He's just born to do what he's doing.

Jesus, MY HEART! Thanks for posting, Ehs.
sillycece: zacEYEScatherish312 on July 1st, 2009 04:17 pm (UTC)

i met him and he was beautiful and he was going to sing or something

and then he signed this journal for my cousin and then one for me but he didn't use my name but wrote a personal message anyway or something.....

and then i got to spend a lot of time with him and he was really nice.

*sigh* now i want to go back to sleep.....
sillycececatherish312 on July 1st, 2009 04:17 pm (UTC)
he was also like über-tan which was weiiiiiiird. and yes his hair was long-ish but not this long and in part of the dream it was blond...wtf?
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wild at heart: ( ze ) ` oic your beanie zef `jukeboxblues on July 1st, 2009 04:24 pm (UTC)
I love hearing about how strong his family is. That's seriously part of the reason I like him so much and to have other people say it and confirm it just makes me so happy. It's strange...
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on July 1st, 2009 05:38 pm (UTC)
i like hearing that too. it's nice to see someone whose family loves them and doesn't just want a piece of them.
Beejeezbee on July 1st, 2009 04:27 pm (UTC)
I love the quotes... obviously.

As for the status of the industry.... have you seen that Paramout Vantage closed yesterday? I'm afraid that the other studios will shut down their speciality divisions too after WB and Paramout did. It's bad enough as it is but without them, who is going to distribute all the indies? Well, I guess they are not going to bet made anymore in the first place...

Edited at 2009-07-01 04:30 pm (UTC)
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on July 1st, 2009 05:25 pm (UTC)
I saw that. I'm not terrible surprised. All of the studios are fucked. And in some ways it isn't their fault even. Did you read the rumors on boxofficemojo about merger possibilities? I think that is where I was reading about how because the studios are owned by conglomerates that even if they make a substantial profit in a given year the parent company takes the majority of the profit to help the other ailing branches of the conglomerate... thus screwing the studio.

All that isn't to say that Hollywood doesn't fleece at every chance they can (the rich get richer, etc.) but there is no winning for the studio as a whole.

I think that new models for production, distribution and advertising need to evolve out of this mess. Especially advertising where the expenses are ridiculous... that is what causes distribution problems like Linklater says.

I know some people thought that Alec Baldwin's comments on studios being too dependent on their stars for audience pull were bitchy whining but I agree with him to some degree. Many movies depend on stars flying all over the world to draw audiences in but that is only one avenue or possibility for advertising. In general, very few movies actually have intelligent advertising campaigns and they do rely too heavily on their stars.

I thought Linklater's comments on blockbusters were very classy. If I were in his position, I might be a lot more critical of the popcorn flicks.

I like Joseph Gordon-Levitt as an actor but I also despise his pretentious hypocrisy for starring in GI Joe and then saying we shouldn't go to shitty movies. I kind of agree with him about the shitty movies, but maybe he should learn not to be so blatantly hypocritical... either don't star in the shitty movie or star in it but don't say those kinds of things.

I've thought a lot about how lazy we've become to accept the trash that is thrown at us. I mean, people say for instance that Transformers 2 is just a summer popcorn flick... it doesn't have to be good as long as it has enough explosions. But why is that? Why can't a movie have explosions and be good?

I've been reading Art Linson's books on producing in Hollywood and they are kind of fascinating. The first one is from the early 90s and you just get the feeling with the economic boom that happened after that a lot of the frugality went out the window. That has to change.

IDK. The industry, and indeed the world, is truly in a state of flux. In every sector people just need to be less wasteful, to make smarter decisions and to think outside the box.

boy, why are you crying?ashe_frost on July 1st, 2009 05:03 pm (UTC)
The indie film industry is pretty shit right now. The problem is that production companies are spending money on films, and distributors don't want to lose money so they don't want to spend enough money to cover the budget and allow for the filmmakers to make a profit.

Which is why a lot of production companies are becoming distribution companies as well.

Which sometimes works, and sometimes doesn't.

They need to get this shit sorted out before I start making films. I don't have time for it.

Also I want to see Me and Orson Welles.

You'd think they'd have less of a problem with distribution since Zac is so famous.. But maybe they want to offer them like, 15 screens and a DVD... And he's trying for 1000 or something.
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on July 1st, 2009 05:33 pm (UTC)
Linklater said some other stuff about indie distrib that I'm going to add to the post. I think the problems in the industry are so convoluted and over-determined that it is really hard to untangle but he does a good job of identifying some of the problems. He's really upfront and it is kind of refreshing.

Also I know he keeps saying MAOW will come out in October (implication being here in the US) but who knows if that is for real or not yet. But since there is already Oscar talk for McKay maybe having a better chance at a Best Picture nom now that there are ten slots instead of five will encourage Sony or somebody to pick up domestic distribution for the film. TBH, it doesn't have a chance of winning, but Oscar noms are easy advertising.
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bettybaby63bettybaby63 on July 1st, 2009 05:23 pm (UTC)
damn that's bad news for the indie business! :(
germangirl89germangirl89 on July 1st, 2009 06:07 pm (UTC)
Here is the recipe: get one movie celebrity, go sailing, and quickly there are paparazzi photos of the event splashed in all forms of non-sailing media. This seems to be a foolproof plan, and was recently demonstrated when Zac Efron went for a sail last week at Marina del Rey in Los Angeles to prepare for an upcoming movie role.

While it is unlikely that this occasion made much of a contribution to the 15,200,000 listings that Google has for him, this youthful star of the “High School Musical” franchise gave the sport a bit of a boost with over 50 websites picking up the story. For the astute observer of the photos, it was noticed that Zac’s day on the bay was in a Lido 14, and his instructor was none other than Olympic medalist Pease Glaser.


wow, I didn't know it was Glaser who teached him... I actually reconize that name...
hunny miss (aka lets fead him to the gators)ehs_wildcats on July 1st, 2009 06:53 pm (UTC)
cool. i was wondering who was teaching him.

random: i once took golf lessons with a lpga star. idk who anymore... i was very little but my grandpa knew her somehow. lol. i didn't keep my game up though so now i kind of suck.
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bettybaby63bettybaby63 on July 1st, 2009 07:24 pm (UTC)
thanks for posting....that's pretty impressive. not only to be taught by a former Olympian, but also 15+ million goggle news stories LOL
germangirl89germangirl89 on July 1st, 2009 08:03 pm (UTC)
yup but we are with 15,5 mio now...
superstar5622superstar5622 on July 1st, 2009 11:11 pm (UTC)
Awww...those are nice things he said.
lmv191lmv191 on July 2nd, 2009 01:37 am (UTC)
In keeping with people praising Zac Efron, I quite like this...

"Another actor who projects a positive image in Hollywood is the wholesome Zac Efron. Fresh from the success of the High School Musical franchise, hit musical, Hairspray and comedy 17 Again, Efron was offered the plump role of Ren McCormack (made popular by Kevin Bacon in the ‘80s) in a remake of Footloose. Surprisingly, he turned it down.

He reasoned with Galaxie’s Hollywood correspondent, Philip Berk: “It was an extremely difficult decision to make. Not that I have anything against Footloose. It’s just that at this particular moment in my career I feel like I want to shake things up a little bit and try something new. I enjoy surprising performances from actors, things you don’t expect them to do or think they could possibly pull off.”

Already hailed as the next serious actor, Efron, it was reported, has received career advice from Leonardo DiCaprio who has successfully leapt from matinee idol to serious thespian and enjoyed longevity in this industry.

Read all about Efron and Ferrera in the July 1 issue of Galaxie magazine."


The "already hailed as the next serious actor" part tickled me... even though it's probably not quite true just yet...
bettybaby63bettybaby63 on July 2nd, 2009 01:51 am (UTC)
oh thanks for posting that!

wonder how much more he's mentioned in the mag?
elena_claytonelena_clayton on July 2nd, 2009 02:41 am (UTC)
Yay! Words ARE fun! Especially when they are nice words about gorgeous boy!

Missed posting in the last entry but Zac in blue shirt made my day. :)

BTW - I know there are some Aussies here - guys, you reckon M&OW will come out in cinemas here in the foreseeable future?
lmv191lmv191 on July 2nd, 2009 02:52 am (UTC)
Sorry hun, I don't think there's a snowball's chance. If it's having such issues getting distribution in the States, probs just go straight to DVD here. (If that :-S) You know what they're like over here. We only get the BIG movies. But if it releases big in the States they might jump on it here.
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