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Sep 19th
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Mini Essay

In case you missed it, Radar has been trying it. They are taking advantage of the timing, that it is totally believable he is stressed and upset by WAYF's failure, to say he's gone off the rails because of it. What is the saying, the best lies have an element of truth. He is, I'm sure, upset by WAYF. I think I've discussed that. But the bullshit part is that he's gone off the rails because of it. We have zero evidence for that.

If anything, we have evidence that life goes on. He's spending time with Sami, family, friends and coworkers. He is working, though his schedule is lighter for the sequel so he's able to go do other things as filming permits. Actions are what matters and so far he's seems okay on that account.

I'm not wearing rose colored glasses here. I know the risks he faces and the likelihood of slipping or seriously relapsing. But I also know I have to be critical of sources. Ignoring gossip rags completely (because jhc they make money selling lies, and, like a broken clock, are only right by accident)… Pictures, while you think they'd be good sources, are not much help because, unless you capture someone in the act, it's a fool's errand to establish truths based on a picture. Tweets are worthless unless there is an avalanche of them. How many times have we gotten tweets of someone seeing him when we know he's on another continent? And even when believable, they still leave a lot to guess unless it is explicit and then you go 'pics or it didn't happen' and then go back to my point about pics above and the circle of stupidity continues.

Of course there are exceptions to the value of these sources, but it is imperative that we evaluate them reasonably. And we have to be aware of the way openly discussing tenuous (at best) sources and deceptive stories actually hurts Zac and the fanbase. So I guess that is the point of this. I may not have as much time to devote to posting right now, but it doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. Being concerned for Zac is fine, but I do see people fearmongering and that just does nobody any good. Let's be critical thinkers and smart about likely bullshit, let's help each other and Zac out.
 
 
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dewgdewg on September 19th, 2015 09:23 pm (UTC)
I read a blind gossip that is clearly about Zefron and his "relapse with drugs", while there’s some (no blind) gossips that even mentions his name about it (the blind gossip said his relationship with Sami is fake for an example), Efron have a nice way to deal with those comments, but I also think it must hurt him a little bit, I don't know, I hope not

Edited at 2015-09-19 09:23 pm (UTC)
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(no subject) - dewg on September 19th, 2015 10:53 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - lipkinlip on September 19th, 2015 10:55 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - dewg on September 19th, 2015 11:43 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - lipkinlip on September 20th, 2015 12:35 am (UTC) (Expand)
Aliciapop86 on September 20th, 2015 12:44 am (UTC)
TBH fans being upset about Sami talking to the reporter is total bs. If she had said, “no comment” fans would be angry that Sami did not defend Zac then complain about what a terrible gf she is. Those fans are not fooling anyone and really need to focus on their own relationships.
dewgdewg on September 20th, 2015 04:34 am (UTC)
At some point I agree with you too, people just want a reason to hate her, in some places (like Just Jared or her Instagram) is disgusting how much hate and even racist comments she gets

But I also think she don't have to explain these things too, these bullsh*t are made exactly to make some people get out of their minds, you can speculate about his sexuality in a homophobic and depreciative way, but if Zac acts as if it was an "offense" is he that will be seen in a "bad light", he's very smart to don't even respond to those things, he just needs to guide her to do the same, it's not like she did something terrible
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Aliciapop86 on September 20th, 2015 12:53 pm (UTC)
Sami respond to the New York Daily News not Radaronline. The entertainment reporter asked her about the rumor( which was a legit question) and she responded just anyone who is close to Zac would have done. She did nothing inappropriate for her position as his girlfriend. People defend their love ones all the time against negative talk that could hurt their reputation and/or careers. We see all the time in pop culture so one should be surprised that she defends him against negative rumor. I have no doubt everyone in the fandom have done the same thing if they were in Sami's position so I'm not buying the faux outrage some fans are trying so hard to project.





Edited at 2015-09-20 01:05 pm (UTC)
laurenlipkinlip on September 20th, 2015 02:08 pm (UTC)
imo i think new york daily news or whatever was maybe reading the radar-online story when zac said himself back in august during promo and before the movie flopped hard about his health and etc. if radar online didnt post bs stories that came from blind items they would't even be a story or rumor to sami even talk about at all.
countessm3countessm3 on September 20th, 2015 03:07 pm (UTC)
On another note, this article does a great job at identifying Zac's appeal and the infinite love we have for him:


http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/08/zac-efron-we-are-your-friends
laurenlipkinlip on September 20th, 2015 04:20 pm (UTC)
you mean the one sami tweeted out?
(no subject) - countessm3 on September 20th, 2015 04:31 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Bee: Zac - Interview Mag w/ woman coloredjeezbee on September 20th, 2015 05:34 pm (UTC)
This was actually posted here with other articles and interviews. The one from the Daily Beast has some interesting points too. As I said there, I agree with some of the points but not all.
(no subject) - countessm3 on September 20th, 2015 06:22 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - jeezbee on September 20th, 2015 06:57 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Bee: Zac - WAYF Portraitjeezbee on September 20th, 2015 05:33 pm (UTC)
With his red sweater he stands out like a traffic cone in that Neighbors pic. lol

I hope De Niro will do some promo for Dirty Grandpa and we get to see some interaction with Zac, esp considering Zac's quote. After seeing De Niro's talk show appearance on Fallon (NOW I totally get why people always say Fallon is a terrible interviewer btw), I'm sure Zac's De Niro impression will get brought up by someone. It would be nice to see.

I'm really surprised by the negativity in the fandom (well, except that people are idiots). Based on everything we see, Zac is doing reasonably well - professionally and personally. Yes, he just had a setback at the box office and he could pick better movies but he has already 2 more wrapped, is filming one right now and more lined up. And on a personal level he seemed to be doing better than in a long time; I finally could see some of his spark coming through at the WAYF tour again. Of course, as Cady said, fingers crossed he can get through this time without resorting to old coping mechanisms but there is really no evidence so far that he is in trouble (and no, a bloody radar article doesn't count).

So why the hell are people trying to find something wrong with EVERY SINGLE THING he does or doesn't do? Why do some "fans" want to see him relapse so badly?

I'm a fairly critical person myself but jeez. Aren't people getting tired of complaining and bitching about everything? New set pics? They have to be a ruse to distract from his problems. A new tweet? Has to have an ulterior motive. A potential sighting? What's the worst scenario this could be spun into? No sightings? It has to mean he's "missing." And when there's nothing to complain and fearmonger about Zac, people bitch about his publicist, social media manager or girlfriend. 24/7.

And the worst of it? It's all happening about irrelevant, miniscule things... things nobody else takes serious or thinks about twice except the people who want to be outraged and complain about everything. But when fans make a stink (deserved or not) people outside fandom start using it as fodder too.

Yes, I know it's hypocritical to complain about people complaining and I'm not saying it all needs to be gushy and positive all the time. But when it gets to the point where all you see is drama and it takes out the enjoyment out of being a fan, it's should be no surprise why the fandom is shrinking. I know I'm really getting sick of it. /rant
The Writers Denmusewriter on September 20th, 2015 10:28 pm (UTC)
Love the mini-essay. The Radar Online article is laughable, if only because anyone who has a shred of common sense would know that if people close to him were really concerned, the first they would do is NOT go to an online gossip website. The people who submit these stories and all the blind items are probably nothing more than haters or people who are pissed that he got help and seems to be doing well. I've noticed that there are certain people that call themselves fans who go out of their way to find and re-tweet anything remotely negative. My question is, what the hell is the point? It does nothing but increase the rumor mongering. Seriously, grow up. It's almost as if people WANT him to relapse.

To be honest, I'm getting pretty sick of the fandom myself. I will always be a Zac fan but some of the stuff I see takes the fun out of it. Guess I'm just over the immaturity.





Edited at 2015-09-20 10:32 pm (UTC)
Bee: Zac - WAYF Portraitjeezbee on September 20th, 2015 11:30 pm (UTC)
The people who submit these stories and all the blind items are probably nothing more than haters or people who are pissed that he got help and seems to be doing well.

Let me take the probably out. I know for sure that this is the case with many blinds. What's frustrating, is the fact that those so-called fans are serving everything on a silver platter. The haters are following some of ~those~ fans and then use all the accusations, tweets and sightings to send in stories. And then other fans are using the same stuff to comment on every website. Just look at all the bullshit you see in the comments of any gossip site. That's what I (and I think Cady) meant when we say, it hurts not only the fandom but also Zac. Of course we know how much of that is bullshit but a lot of people believe it and like it or not, an ongoing stream about relapse rumors and other negative stories would likely also have an effect on his career. And all under that fake pretense of being concerned. If they were actually concerned, they would do the opposite and not rumor/fear monger and dwell on every little thing.

I've noticed that there are certain people that call themselves fans who go out of their way to find and re-tweet anything remotely negative. My question is, what the hell is the point? It does nothing but increase the rumor mongering.

It drives me nuts because it is so fucking stupid.

And since I'm already at it... I want to share a favorite article of mine which I discovered recently: No, It’s Not Your Opinion. You’re Just Wrong. This is such an awesome and accurate reflection of so much bullshit on the Internet, that I want to tweet it at people 24/7.

I always try to stay away from drama as much as possible but since I'm looking for info on Zac for here and twitter, I can't avoid seeing it all entirely. However, I'm pretty close to generously using the block button right now, to minimize even that (and keep those people at arm lengths at the same time). I probably should do that.
(no subject) - musewriter on September 20th, 2015 11:49 pm (UTC) (Expand)
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The Writers Denmusewriter on September 21st, 2015 12:59 am (UTC)
In jeezbee's defense, you would be surprise what the haters will use to prove their "point". I could think of two right off the top of my head who I could see as being entirely responsible for these blinds and Radar articles, but I won't give the satisfaction of naming them here. They latch on to ANYTHING negative about him to prove their "point" because their hatred for him is so deep, for reasons that anyone who doesn't require a straightjacket can't understand. And they LOVE to see it when fans start to turn on him. The less we do to give them material to feed off of, the better.

I will be the first to admit I'll always be concerned for his health. Addiction is a bitch no matter how you slice it. BUT, what is the point of fixating on whether he may or may not be in trouble. As fans there's not a darn thing we can do about it. I know that sucks, but it is the truth.

To be quite honest, I'm not a huge fan of Sami. I won't get into that here because I respect Cady's desire to keep this less about the relationships and more about the work. But you know what? If she makes him happy in some way, good for them. Zac is not a naive little boy that we need to protect or a fragile piece of glass that will break. He's a big boy, a grown man who we should at least respect enough to respect those he cares about.

Sidenote: by respecting those he cares about I mean Sami and not some of the others in his life who have proven to be negative influences. Those people can take a long walk off a short cliff, tbh.

Edited at 2015-09-21 01:11 am (UTC)
☮: pic#123819877socrazywildcat on September 21st, 2015 01:18 am (UTC)
This fandom is clearly not a place where we can voice our concerns without being blocked or accused of all sorts of terrible things.

I really doubt haters are watching my every tweet. They lurk, yes. But they mainly go off sightings (eg. parties) and things that Zac and Sami post to create their malicious "exclusives" to send to Radar.

There is not one thing I've tweeted that I've later seen on a blind item site or as a report on some trashy webloid. So I don't appreciate "fans" suggesting that at all.

I'm glad you can see in Sami what a lot of fans seem to be blind to.

Btw what's your Twitter? I'll follow you.
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kleth on September 21st, 2015 05:44 pm (UTC)
What concerns me a little is the heavy emphasis on booze, weed, and various party drugs in all his recent movies: That Awkward Moment, Neighbors, We Are Your Friends. Actors have to imagine themselves as their characters. How can he spend long working days performing in party scenes, faking all the alcohol and drug abuse, without being tempted to slide back into that kind of behavior?

I imagine that Dirty Grandpa and Mike & Dave will also have party scenes. Will Baywatch be the first movie since Parkland in which Zac's character doesn't get drunk or stoned?